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AARP Enlists Traffic Expert to Fix Main Street

Ideas to improve Main Street include the installation of roundabouts, bike lanes, and reducing the speed limit.

A new voice joined the fight to make Main Street safer Monday afternoon as nationally recognized traffic specialist Dan Burden gave a walking tour along the roadway and presented ideas on how to make it safe, pedestrian friendly and more vibrant for business.

William Stoner, associate state director for AARP, said Burden was brought in to "bridge that gap between the community and the Department of Transportation and make sure that we get a plan that the DOT likes, that the community can support and actually improves pedestrian safety but also improves downtown businesses.”

The plans discussed include making Main Street two lanes, installing a raised median, putting in bike lanes, reducing the speed to 25 miles per hour, and installing roundabouts where Lawrence Avenue and Route 111 meet Main Street. Burden also said the parking should still be available on the north side of the road.

Burden said he's seen success in past projects he’s been involved in where roundabouts were installed.

“A roundabout will drop out about 90 percent of your personal injury crashes,” he said. “We’ve got some that haven’t had a crash in 16 years that were getting a fatal every year.”

Burden suggested a mini roundabout at the intersection of Main Street and Lawrence Avenue, and a two-lane roundabout at the intersection of Main Street and Route 111. He added the roundabouts would significantly reduce speed at the intersections, stating drivers would not be able to drive more than 15 miles per hour.

Burden also discussed the possibility of eliminating parking spots close to Main Street in the Village Commons Shopping Center and adding liner buildings, stores that are only 20 feet deep. He said the buildings would enclose the road, slowing down drivers, and create a natural attraction to draw more drivers into the center.

The idea behind Burden’s plans is to make Main Street in Smithtown a destination.

“We can do a design that celebrates the community’s request for a road that would be much slower, much safer, and start to sketch together the village and the town into one cohesive unit to allow the town to make more money, become more of a destination and not just a pass through,” he said.

Assemblyman Michael Fitzpatrick, R- St. James, who was in attendance for both the walking tour and later PowerPoint presentation, said he is in favor of many of Burden’s ideas, specifically the roundabouts.

“I’ve long argued that if we’re going to look for solutions inside-the-box nothing is going to change,” he said. “This represents some outside-the-box thinking in terms of traffic … I’ve seen roundabouts work on streets much larger than this and I’m very impressed, they work extremely well, so I like the roundabout idea.”

Eric Alexander, executive director for not-for-profit community planning group Vision Long Island, said a similar roundabout was installed in Huntington, which has been a success.

“Thirty-three people were in accidents there the year before it was constructed, there have been two fender benders since,” he said.

Director of Sustainability for Vision Long Island Elissa Ward, who Alexander said was instrumental in getting the Huntington roundabout installed, said it has increased safety to a dangerous area.

“It’s definitely calmed things down, it used to be the shortcut speedway to bypass Main Street and people were getting hit,” she said. “Now it’s safer, it’s more attractive with the landscaping and everything.”

Alexander said Burden’s ideas, or any action needed to improve Main Street, could easily be completed.

“The reality is that if this is just a technical problem that we need to resolve by just laying out the design details and backing up with science, it’s very doable,” he said. “The state should have the money to do this, it shouldn’t cost enormous amounts of money.”

Both Burden and Stoner confirmed that DOT officials met with Burden prior to the community walking tour Monday in an unofficial capacity and discussed ideas for improvement of the roadway.

robkoz December 6, 2011 at 02:01 pm
Build a pedestrian bridge. It's a no brainer. Millions of dollars saved. Your welcome.
Waiting for the proverbial: I'm too lazy to walk up and down a flight of stairs comments...
George December 6, 2011 at 02:06 pm
I don't know if these new ideas are good or not but at least I agree that thinking outside the box is definately needed. I am not convinced that prior proposal would be a significant improvement.
Jonathan Vecchi December 6, 2011 at 02:25 pm
There was talk of a median and some other ideas a few years ago as well. Glad to see that there are now people on the ground actually looking at feasible options. Anything to make Main Street a destination would be great. Hopefully plans continue to move forward at a decent pace.
One Opinion December 6, 2011 at 03:26 pm
Take a ride through main street in Patchogue. The town is a great example of how effective overhead signing, well defined pedestrian crosswalks and proper traffic signals can significantly improve safety without a tremendous price tag. These are basic things that can be done ASAP that would help with the safety issue.
Nick Metrowsky December 6, 2011 at 07:44 pm
Finally, a vision that could actually work. If all these features are put in place, then "pass through" traffic will take Veteran's Highway and Route 347; as what New York State originally intended. Smithtown will become a walkable destination. Especially, if putting in 20' deep buildings in front of Village Commons. As for the "round abouts", the single lane versions work well in Boulder, Colorado. Also, in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, they have the two lane versions that also work well. In both cases, traffic was slowed. Finally, making Main Street one lane in each direction will add the final touch to a village feel. Hopefully, New York State will post signage in Lake Grove and Commack to encourage "pass through" drivers to bypass Smithtown.
Camlle December 6, 2011 at 09:04 pm
So many yrs of neglect .. Shame on you Smithtown for letting this happen .
UncommonSense December 7, 2011 at 02:20 am
I'm sorry. I really think a lot of this is overkill. I hope the DOT simply takes a look at the road and makes some needed common sense changes to make it safer. I think that "over engineering" the road in this way will cause additional problems. Main St is dangerous over all because of a great many small issues combine to make it unsafe for drivers and pedestrians. We don't need a radical redesign of the road. We need a measured, well thought out address of each of the issues at each of the intersections. We need two lanes East bound and one lane west bound with a dedicated west bound turning lane the full length of Main Street. Address the East bound Left Turn at Landing Ave. Address the backed up turning lane when exiting Main St out to 25a. Time the lights so that traffic moves from green to red so that no one speeds up to try to beat the next light. A combination of small well thought out corrections to the current road will allow traffic to move smoothly and safely. I know it's not as 'sexy' but we don't need a grandiose redesign with medians and traffic circles and bike lanes. We need common sense solutions to each of the individual problems on Main Street. Together they will serve to make the road safer for all of us.
Pam December 7, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@ Southampton 3 you pointed out some very good suggestions, and they are cost effective too. However I am wondering how only 1 lane of traffic heading westbound will effect the early morning traffic flow? During the 6-8:30 am hours you have the road at capacity heading west, that would be a concern of mine -Eastbound cruises!
Unfortunately we have many jay walkers in town as well. Too much of a hurry to wait for crosswalk light to change. Or to lazy to walk to the proper crosswalk. We do have speed switchs (radar on light crossbeam) that help with the speed of the vehicles-too fast and the light switches red. Keep the ideas flowing people and together we CAN come up with a reasonable solution to solve our Main St issues.
George R December 7, 2011 at 03:01 pm
I would love to see this happen tomorrow. This would be a great start to see downtown as a destination. In addition to this, there should be additional plans to incorporate an overall town feel. Include townhouses with store fronts, public spaces, entertainment,parking, etc....this would be a big plus to help business boom downtown.
Kim December 8, 2011 at 06:38 am
@Southhampton3 - I think keeping 2 lanes eastbound does nothing to discourage all the mall traffic that moves through the area - especially at Christmas time. i
Whisper December 8, 2011 at 11:37 am
I've lived in this town for 40 years and the issue isn't Main St. at all. If Fitzpatrick and Schumer want to think outside the box then fix Rt. 347 correctly so it truely serves as the SMITHTOWN BYPASS and gets a car to Pt. Jeff faster than Main St. to Edgewood to 25A.
Pam December 8, 2011 at 12:21 pm
@Whisper you are right the current 347 project will not take care of traffic flow on 347 therefore it will not decrease the amount of traffic coming thru on 25. All those years of 347 planning and the money being spent on this project will not do what the people of Smithtown or Suffolk needed it to do. You can not blame either of those 2 men too many other people had their hand in this current plan for 347.
Nick Metrowsky December 8, 2011 at 02:38 pm
One way to fix this is to divert traffic at Route 25 and Veteran's Highway to use Veteran's Highway. This could be accomplished by moving the Route 25 designation to follow Veteran's Highway and Route 347. Also, rebuild the intersection so people would have to "make a left to continue east on Jericho Turnpike aka Main Street. Do something similar in lake Grove at Middle Country Road and Route 347. Then Smithtown should reduce the lane from Old Willets Path to Route 347 and implement the plan described above.
As fro capacity on Route 347/Veteran's Highway, the town, county and state have been trying to "fix" this problem for over 40 years. Maybe with a forced bypass, they will finally take care of the issue once and fro all.
Steve R. December 12, 2011 at 03:55 pm
Regardless of what is or is not being done to other roads, Smithtown main streets is "broken". It is run down and in need of repair. Jay walking pedestrians are not the cause of the problem. I have almost been hit numerous times with a "walk" signal at the cross walk. Cars don't stop when making a right on red and cars don't look for people in the crosswalk when they get a green arrow on the lefts. It's not just the drivers fault; they're just getting to where they need to go. It's not well lit, the road is narrow, and people are dodging in and out of lanes to avoid the cars attempting to make left hand turns. It's crazy. I think these plans are refreshing. I'm excited about them. Fix the road problem, make it pedestrian friendly and the businesses will come back. We can't half ass this thing; it needs to be fully implemented.
Sara December 12, 2011 at 04:20 pm
Obviously @Whisper you don't care about the town of Smithtown and that it looks like a dump. The plan is not meant to speed up traffic and get you to port jeff faster. It is about building the downtown image and making it a place people WANT to go. If we make it safer for pedestrians then more people will start to think of it as a place to go out to eat on weekends or walk to on a Sunday morning. Right now its the eye sore of Suffolk and if you have lived here for 40 years you'd see how downhill it's gone.
Camlle December 12, 2011 at 05:56 pm
Many of you have great ideas! Take them to a Town meeting , Tell the elected officials of what you think .
James Gilbride December 12, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Everyone here has to be a few chromosomes short, have you looked at the AMOUNT of traffic going thru Main Street? Do you remember 5pm on Main Street and only going 2 car lengths before the lights changed? How rain and snow makes everything slower? And we have DOT taking about round abouts and restricting traffic even more? One lane in each direction? It will be grid lock, higher pollution from vehicles and the failure of stores on Main Street as shoppers avoid the area altogether.
Camlle December 13, 2011 at 12:18 am
James, may be you also have some ideas for Smithtown officials . I have to agree, 2 lanes is not going to cut it. Most who travel thru during rush hour do not live in area. I have to admit,I rarely am on Main St. I will go behind stores to avoid it,or travel Maple Ave and other roads to get to Main St . The town also has to ease up on new businesses trying to open up or existing businesses expand . But yet, other's get what ever they want, despite limited parking within the town .
We Heart Long Island December 14, 2011 at 02:17 pm
That's why you want one lane - gridlock. It forces cars to slow down to avoid killing people and it forces cars to take other routes and other times.
Camlle December 14, 2011 at 04:58 pm
@we heart . What other routes do you suggest? I know what I do,like I stated above, but non residents would now know and some of these detours would put alot of traffic on the side streets. Would your want all the traffic past your home? The mindset"no one want's to live out there" is coming back to haunt us. Poor to no planning by town , county for better major highways ( example , extension of Northern State which was planned never completed) is causing many problems . I am not sure 2 lanes is the answer.
Kim December 18, 2011 at 05:32 am
@Steve R - You are so right about the danger of cars turning. My dog almost got hit by a car while we were trying to cross one of the SIDE streets as we were walking along Main Street because the person wasn't planning on coming to a complete stop before going onto Main Street!
@Sara, 347 is a huge problem for downtown Smithtown because it was built as a BYPASS AROUND Smithtown but has not been updated to handle the amount of traffic that travels in the area. Since 347 gets backed up, people use 25 as another alternative route creating grid lock in downtown Smithtown.

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