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You Tell Us: Big Ideas for Making Smithtown Better

With so many issues in town, locals are bound to have their own big ideas for bettering their community. Let's share them.

Smithtown has its share of problems. Officials hope to balance plans to make Main Street a downtown destination while addressing its dangers as a major roadway, vacancies dot the landscape from St. James to the edge of Kings Park, taxes are high and schools with good academics face the scary problem of heroin in their halls.

It's times like these that people get to thinking about the home they love so much, coming up with their own ideas, be them wild stretches of the imagination or practical fixes that are altogether doable, to keep the Smithtown, St. James and Nesconset areas great into the forseeable future.

So let's hear them.

In the spirit of putting the local dreamer and the civic leaders on the same plane, we'd like to give all locals the opportunity to share their big ideas for Smithtown. In this forum, no idea should be shot down. Instead, let's gather as many suggestions as we can so we can later narrow the list down to the 10 most popular ideas for the Smithtown community.

We can't wait to hear what you come up with.

jeepsters September 27, 2012 at 02:32 pm
Everyone one of us can come up with great ideas to help this town...but the bottom line is that between the "boys club" of politics and the BOE..they really dont want to hear what you think....this is why our taxes are astronomical...Lets start with town politics...why does 1 person get to run the show for 30 years???...because thats what it is a "show"...there has been no new blood...no new ideas....just the same old same old..what is so wrong with term appointments..2 or 3 terms and its time to move on....as for the schools...i believe in a fair salary for teachers...but not a six figure one in which you pay nothing toward your medical or retirement....I've work for this state for the last 30 years and i'm unionized....actually and this is a hoot...i'm UUP..which is a mostly faculty..and i dont teach...the point is I pay into my medical and retirement and am no where near a six figure salary...according to Newsday since I make under 100k...i'm poverty..gotta love Long Island....and thats why I'm leaving ..as is my 17 year old daughter...she see's and hears whats going on and wants no part of the downfall to come...and to all those teachers who will cry out...you might have taught her, but its minimal...she didnt alot of it on her own...so the credit goes to her....sorry LI...your cooked.....
Cathryn S September 27, 2012 at 03:02 pm
Not that I am fond of that building or whats there, but they pay $80,000 in taxes and over 70 percent of it goes to the schools. So they are paying. We need more businesses to pay more of the tax And for those of you in favor or preserving trees and against businesses expanding or against developers...understand this....The landowner owns that property and has a legal right to develop according to town codes. They have the right to develop it to its highest and best use. You contradict yourself by saying less taxes, and less development of commercial property. Businesses and commercial establishments pay a higher tax. The less you have of it the more the burden is put onto residential property. That's why are taxes are high here. Too much burden on residential. And you keep pushing businesses out, making it more expensive for them to be here. Not allowing development. That's why you have vacant buildings along 347 and RT 25. I agree, it should be done tastefully. But you have certain people on the Board who havent done a darn thing in 30 years. And you still keep voting him in. You want change , then change the leadership. A good example is Hauppauge. Their taxes are lower because they have industry. That's the key. But you all want your cake and eat it too.
Cathryn S September 27, 2012 at 03:08 pm
I totally agree. See my comment below. Where were those people who oppose ripping out trees when the developer who built their house was knocking down trees to build their house or development!
robkoz September 27, 2012 at 03:38 pm
Cathryn, I get what you are saying but where does it end? Do you approve of tearing down every last parcel of woods just to keep increasing the tax base year after year? Smithtown will just end up looking like Queens. The fact is taxes went up too fast, too soon and now the town is panicking cause the revenue can't keep up with the pace.
Nesconset Dude September 27, 2012 at 03:40 pm
Cathryn - where do you propose we put this industry in Smithown? It's already had 95% of its free space developed, so where would it go? Nissequogue? A lot of open land there, but it will never happen and I don't think it should. Imminent domain? Okay, let's kick an entire section of residents out of there homes (probably in Nesconset, of course) to build this great industrial park. Let's be realistic and stop focusing on increasing a tax base that will do nothing for the common tax payer. You have to go after the root of the taxes, not continue to destroy what's left of Smithtown. If you like the Hempstead Tpke look, move to Elmont.
Cathryn S September 27, 2012 at 06:40 pm
Robkoz I do not approve of ripping out every last tree. I grew up, live n work here. I love trees & Smithtown. But we need industry & business to balance the burden & it's not happening. Too many residences using services, not enough industry. Vacant  buildings remain bc taxes are too high. It's a domino effect. The taxes didnt go up too fast, house values went up too fast. The assessor does not increase taxes, he merely determines assessed values on homes. The Smithtown BOE raises your taxes everytime you vote the budget in. The schools are top heavy with administrators but yet everyone votes the budget in without even looking at it. I'm all in favor of teachers. They do the work, they teach the kids. Minimize administrators. People think paying more in school taxes assures us a better education. Not true. Every time the town or county buys open space it costs the taxpayers twofold. You have to pay for it &  it's one less property on the tax roll.
Cathryn S September 27, 2012 at 06:41 pm
There is plenty of property to develop.  Planning is trying to develop 100 acres in KP near the "industrial area that already exists" as a mixed use of residential and industry. The property is zoned for both but people oppose it. If its zoned legally for industry then they should develop it.  If you moved near there & didn't do your due diligence before buying, you don't get to then complain about it. And try to change the use in your favor, when the person who bought that property has every right to develop it to its highest & best use  & profit. KP psych was being used a hospital but yet people want to preserve it as open space or town parks. It needs to be developed properly. And put it on the tax roll. If you want open space then don't complain about high taxes. That's the root of the problem. And nesconset dude. I have lived in St james all my life and work here. Your just ignorant, increasing the tax base is the answer. Not decreasing it. And why would you think the town would acquire property through "eminent" domain.  To turn it into industry for private companies &  take the property off the tax rolll??. that's the problem. You think the town, county,  govt should pay for everything. There is too much govt  & free loaders. You want open space pay for it.  Or go live in Alaska. Let owners of the properties develop the properties the way they are legally zoned & planned for. Otherwise get up &  go run for the town board. 
Cathryn S September 27, 2012 at 06:42 pm
Ps. Look at an aerial map. We have one of the largest areas of open space compared to surrounding areas.
Nesconset Dude September 27, 2012 at 07:02 pm
Some of us have no problem paying for parks, they are one of the reasons we live here and make it a nice place. You sound like you come from the Pat Vecchio school of thought. The #1 tax expense here in Smithtown is the school district, plain and simple. It's not appropriate to have a new superintendent walk in the door with a 30-40 thousand dollar raise over the outgoing. Kick the unions out of the public arena already, the expenses they put upon us as taxpayers are unsustainable. I pay high taxes and it helps keep the area nice, but the money could go further and to better things. I never once suggested the gov't should pay for a thing, you seemed to have missed the sarcasm aimed directly at you.
jeepsters September 27, 2012 at 07:41 pm
The only way you'll ever get new business to the area...tax incentive..ie...they pay no taxes... either town or school for at least 5 years...so whats the point...
Cathryn S September 27, 2012 at 09:54 pm
Sounded more like ignorance.. But I agree as I stated before, one if our biggest problems is the school tax. Another is the lack of industry. And yes alot of us do have a problem paying for parks . So we should be paying high taxes for the use of parks. To preserve open space. Thats ridiculious. And you want to preserve more open space. Who is going to pay for that? Yes thats right you want the govt and town to pay for it. In essence the tax payer. Otherwisw how do you preserve open space? Foreclosures are at all time high, bankruptcies are fIlling the courts, businesses are leaving the area and you want to preserve open space. You have no solutions. You are the
problem. How do you "preserve any remaining open space " without paying for it? They still have to pay for the taking. You sound like your from the Obama school of thought. Take from the rich and give to the poor. You say you pay high taxes and your ok with it because it helps keep the area nice but then say" main st is rundown and unappealing". You dont want anyone to develop their property. Well thats not progress or a solution.
Smithtown Rez September 27, 2012 at 09:59 pm
Take the overabundance of rainy day savings (I feel like my depression era grandfather runs this town) and invest in infrastructure upgrades. Bury lines, upgrade the roadways, continue to refresh main streets (Nesconset, Smithtown, St. James needs some work).
While I value a balanced budget and conservative bond rating community members start to truly get frustrated when the roadways, parks and storefronts do not represent the high taxes they pay. Decide what type of business zoning you want and then provide tax abated incentives and free infrastructure upgrades to entice them into the community. Flowerfields - incent building and residential supply business, Smithtown - they are obviously trying to entice more restaurants so cafes, restaurants, etc should get tax delays, short term forgiveness. They should also try to further develop up to the middle country 347/25 intersection more medical businesses to build off of the E. Main street area and to balance the empty car lots that dot that corridor. The main thing is to HAVE A PLAN. Not simply have a reaction to every fast food restaurant and convenience store that offers to pop up yet again in town.
mike September 28, 2012 at 02:03 pm
look at the village of stony brook, it's very nice, small shops, and some chain stores like anne taylor. The town needs to make main street a place that someone would want to set up business.
On a quick side note, the two lanes of traffic should stop on the notheast side of main street by the library. The right lane should be for right turn only. It was a big mistake to continue it across 111 in front of the church. This area should be striped for the bus stop. This would force the merge earlier in front of dr offices so cars would not race from the traffic light to merge in front of the church and horizon center.
Nick Metrowsky September 28, 2012 at 05:55 pm
Yes. Stony Brook village is a god example of bringing architectural symmetry to Smithtown Village. As for traffic patterns, local traffic should be encouraged to use Main Street/Middle Country Road and through traffic to use 347 and Vet's Highway. The state and town need to design a route to do what was meant to be done in the 1960s, bypass Smithtown. One cannot create a unified downtown traffic district, like Stony Brook, if the Main Street is an equivalent of the Long Island Expressway.
robkoz September 29, 2012 at 03:09 am
Why do you have to PAY for open space? Just leave the damn woods alone. Trees have been around before humans existed. Only a government bureaucrat is brainwashed enough to believe that we need to tax someone to keep undeveloped land preserved. The 30 acre lot next to me owned by Story Book homes that has been untouched forever seems to be doing just fine without anyone's taxes.
And sorry, taxes went up too fast because EVERYONE got greedy. The real estate agencies caused it all too and the school districts and police departments all got in on it. Now everyone's in panic mode cause the bubble is about to burst. And please, people here think main st. is unapealling? LMAO! I grew up in Brentwood back in the 70's and 80's. Take a drive through that town and you'll see what unappealing really is.
James Olson September 29, 2012 at 01:54 pm
Is there a particular reason why new, non-residential construction is single-storied and single use? It seems to me sprawl would be inhibited and character enhanced if every new construction was required to create a certain percentage of various uses.
For example, Checkers restaurant wants to build a facility on Rte. 347. Plan approved on the condition that it be a two-storied building with office space on the second floor. Another, related idea: A new T.of S. code taxes vacant space at a higher rate than occupied thus better ensuring landlords are better motivated to maintain rental/leased property in good condition and at competitive rental rates. Another example, developer wants to build housing development. If the development occupies a certain acreage it must include a certain percentage of office and retail space to serve the needs of the development and local neighborhood. Note: the one I lived in had a 24/7 drug/convenience store, two spaces rented by inhabitants of development (one was an art gallery and the other a toy/hobby store), a doctor's office, and a travel agency. Established a Town minimum of green space; both for the Town as a whole and each property developed. Increase green space set-backs/landscaping requirements on main roads (ie. Watermill at 347 & Terry Rd. is good example of what the SmithHaven Mall should have)
Kristie M September 29, 2012 at 03:44 pm
Vote for someone other than John Flanagan to represent us in Albany if you do not want continued endorsement of animal abuse. Google puppy mills to learn about the puppy mill/pet store connection, then please start advocating local regulation of pet dealers (bill S1262A). The average Smithtown resident would never buy a pet store puppy if they knew its parents were considered factory farm livestock under USDA rules. 47 other states allow this.
Skakmati October 1, 2012 at 04:28 pm
That's really a great idea that will surely make Smithtown better. UGH!
Kristie M October 1, 2012 at 04:50 pm
Any little bit helps. 98% of all pet store puppies come from puppy mills, including those in our quaint town. Puppy parents are livestock according the USDA and suffer worse factory farm conditions than other animals. A number of us Smithtown residents work to educate the public about this largely unknown abuse. It's an easy topic to learn about, saves animal suffering and protects against huge vet bills for the often sick offspring of the livestock parents. It makes us all a little bit better. Of course I'd love some enforcement of traffic laws, including an end to people doing 50 mph down Ledgewood Ave. but this appears impossible. I'm going with little steps :-)
Sunny day October 1, 2012 at 08:17 pm
How about going after illegal tenants in one family homes? I have reported a neighbor with the town 5 times along with other neighbors. For years we never said anything until they started renting a basement AND side of house apartment, along with the owner living in the house. We had to report without giving names because we all witnessed drug transactions going on in the apartments. Cops have been called for a stabbing. These illegal tenants also have 5 children combined that go to Sachem- on our dime. The owner of the home also claims disability on her taxes while the lifelong legal homeowners have their taxes going up. Who else do we beg for help when Smithtown turns a blind eye to illegal zoning in addition to lost revenue. This is just one home Smithtown could be collecting increased taxes from- how many more are out there?
Adam R October 2, 2012 at 12:58 am
Really, of all the things that could be done to spruce up our town and make our main street area a desirable destination, you choose to complain about a road intersection that means nothing to economy or the other 90% of our town that can reach our main street without traversing that intersection? Besides the fact that potential visitors from other areas would NEVER have to cross that intersection at all. Way to go Dave. congratulations on making this all about you.
Adam R October 2, 2012 at 01:12 am
The west end of Main street is an awful mess. Half is empty and the other half doesnt look like they care. (except that new deli that has been under Reno, which look nice, I think it is called Nick's). Truth is that I live near the east end of main street and have little need to go to that side of main street.
But they could change this. I suggest a major Reno plan for the Mandees shopping center. Including the shops In the front of that parking lot, where I believe only one shop remains intact (the gold store with the person standing in the street holding up a "we buy gold sign". Do we really need THAT???). I suggest leveling the whole thing and building a fresh set of restaurants with a common quadrangle area in the center. If we can encourage people to visit that section through dining we can increase the foot traffic to the local shops and have new shops open in the vacancys. This plan would also require funding to be made available for all those surrounding store fronts to get face lifts and build toward a common motif with the restaurant row. As long as adequate parking is made available this would inject a lot people into an otherwise desolate stretch of main street.
Adam R October 2, 2012 at 01:14 am
Nice post! Many good ideas!
Adam R October 2, 2012 at 01:29 am
Both of your main points are right on the money. I too have been stating that the westbound right lane by the library should be right turn only and should start advertising that a long way before the turn. It is just stupid that both lanes need to compress after the light, in the span of about 100 feet, causing backup into the intersection behind them. generally speaking the other traffic lane changes have been very helpful to move traffic along through main street, but this was a major oversight.
Chris October 2, 2012 at 06:54 pm
I have an apartment in my house and there are a few others on my street that I am aware of. Without this income, there is no way that I could survice here. I make a decent wage but that alone does not cut it. I am very choosy as to whom I rent to and living in the same place means I am always watching.
Obviously I am not the only one doing this. The tenants that 'Sunny day' describes are bad news, but that is not always the case. There is no way I could pay Smithtown taxes, Lipa and everything else without this income.
Marge Baldwin October 3, 2012 at 04:45 pm
@Adam R. I too am in favor of a major reno for the Mandee's site on Main and Maple. However if the whole lot was leveled and a Trader Joe's put there I think that would benefit more people. Increased foot traffic in that area would be a boost to the local restaurants and shops as well. Anything besides more vacant shops! Smithtown is starting to resemble a ghost town. We also need new leadership!! How about a strategic plan for the town. Do we even have one?
Dave M. October 3, 2012 at 05:05 pm
The Town Board should pass a law requiring all political candidates to remove their signs after the election. Next, they will have to enforce it. Maybe require a bond be posted BEFORE the election and all the signs go up. Any signs not removed could result in fines and/or forfeiture of the bond. I get tired of looking at Ross Perot signs from 1992.
D April 6, 2013 at 11:50 am
A note to the landlords in the town of smithtown. Lower your rent. Stop being greedy. Wouldn't you rather collect something rather then nothing. By lowering the rent young creative people with great ideas may be able to fulfill their dreams of opening a pastry shop, children's clothing store, photography studio etc.
stownson April 23, 2013 at 09:38 pm
A couple of things...
The state controls Main Street - go to your legislators as the town has no jurisdiction. Changes have been made to Main Street causing worse traffic conditions. Why? Because people were killed by failure to navigate the street, being drunk or being hit by a drug addict. People need to learn to cross at corners and take responsibility for their own actions. The economy is bad - lowering rents is not going to add more stores. Blame Obama.
robkoz April 23, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Sorry but even I can't blame Obama for the high taxes on Long Island. Taxes are a result of greed and everyone padding their salaries and benefits when the economy was good. Now that the economy here is slacking people still think that the taxpayers should honor their greed with higher taxes.

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P. J. Miller June 18, 2013 at 02:36 pm
Assisted living is a good thing - they are not filled with drunken people, loud music....noise!!Read More Sit in a parking lot of an assisted living you will see that first they are not filled with cars. Honestly, having been through the system with parents and relatives, it is sad what happens to some of the people at assisted living or nursing homes. Relatives just drop them off and never visit. You'll get the occasional visit on maybe Christmas or Mothers / Fathers day, but for the most part they get very little foot traffic. And the people that work there tell the same story. But it is quiet. I would prefer an assisted living over a catering hall any day of the week.
Cathryn S June 18, 2013 at 09:06 pm
You are absolutely right pj. Its comparing apples to oranges. Assisted living is for the elderlyRead More that cant take care of themselves. What noise is created. They are indoors and at the age where driving may not be an option. And the facility faces Route 25A. A main corridor that has been used as a main road for over 50 years. A road that has gas stations,bars, hospitals, nursing homes, retail stores and high schools presently on it. Why not an assisted living.
P. J. Miller June 18, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Exactly. Don't see a problem having it. Many of them don't even go outdoors.
Vick w June 18, 2013 at 08:18 am
how is this allowed!!! I thought sex offenders were not allowed to live or be within a certainRead More amount of feet from a school or park or playground???? This "person" is young also, born in 1990 so he might blend in by the high school. he raped an 11 year old girl and only got 2 years in prison.
Vick w June 18, 2013 at 08:22 am
to see the pig, click or copy link belowRead More http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/SomsSUBDirectory/offenderDetails.jsp?offenderid=34309
Nick June 18, 2013 at 04:06 pm
2 years in prison!!....I think a zero should have been added to his sentence.... If I were theRead More father of the 11 year old he would not be walking around today!
knee jerk June 17, 2013 at 09:02 am
Nice. While waiting for the gates to go up, you could have viewed some of the direlect buildings inRead More town.
knee jerk June 17, 2013 at 08:58 am
Creten?
The Smithtown Avenger June 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm
I don't think the town has a say in it. That is the good old MTA.
June Kempf June 13, 2013 at 09:14 am
As past president of the Sufolk County chapter of MDA and 30 year volunteer, I would like to urgeRead More young men in the community to take the challenge and enrich your lives as well as the families of vicitms of this dread disease. You have no idea how much you will be needed and appreciated. Go for it!