Do You Want an IB Program at Your Schools?

International curriculum encroaches on advanced placement territory.

The days where Advanced Placement classes were the only upper level course offered to excelling students may be fading, as a relatively new curriculum, International Baccalaureate, is being embraced at Long Island schools.

At the start of the 2012 school year, nine Long Island school districts will offer the curriculum, including , Commack, Northport-East Northport, Bay Shore, Sag Harbor and West Islip in Suffolk County.

The IB curriculum, according to a Newsday story published Monday on the topic, has so far been a hit in districts that have decided to pay the thousands in fees needed to set up the program, which puts more of an emphasis on critical thinking and writing. Critics, on the other hand, usually blast the cost of the program or its international endorsement. 

From the Newsday article:

Experts and proponents say the IB high school curriculum gives students an edge because of its global perspective and rigor. Many students strive for the coveted IB diploma, which requires completion of at least seven advanced courses in their junior and senior years, including mathematics, science, English literature and history.

The courses emphasize essays and oral presentations, and a 4,000-word paper and community service are mandated.

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Coming out of a tough budget year where several Suffolk budgets failed and others had to make tough cuts to come in under the tax cap, we're curious if locals would support their own districts setting up IB programs for their children.

Let us know in the comments.

Mary Beth August 01, 2012 at 07:14 PM
Anyone ever notice how it is the stupidest among us who always oppose education?
Preliator August 01, 2012 at 07:34 PM
Well that is not very nice Mary Beth, you are just trying to mean now.
Mr. Mary Beth August 01, 2012 at 07:43 PM
I do, seems like they want to move away from education to something called an IB program.
Mike Trooble August 01, 2012 at 08:16 PM
"ObserverNY" is another identity commonly associated with Lisa. To her credit, she's consistent in her anti-IB stance. For example, here's her explaining her thoughts to the WHITE PRIDE community: "Please feel free to ask me any questions you may have on this socialist, globalist, scam of a program. Yes it is being used for social manipulation of white students to lure them into lousy ghetto schools in order to grab U.S. stimulus grants and taxpayer dollars." http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t631884/
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 09:19 PM
LOL! Great come back, Joe. IBO and its minions always like to say, "Talk to the children! Visit an IB classroom!" because IB doesn't have any data or scholarly reports to prove that its programmes actually IMPROVE student academic performance!
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 09:20 PM
Do you always talk about yourself on message boards, Mary Beth? IB isn't education, it's indoctrination.
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Mary Beth, Your reading comprehension needs remediation. I said you quoted a card-carrying socialist, Sinclair Lewis. I did not call you a socialist, but if the shoe fits ......
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 09:48 PM
Mike Trooble, So the "white pride" community, who happened to have been discussing IB, don't constitute U.S. citizens? We shouldn't communicate with people who identify with white pride? Maybe you would like to see "those people" taken out and shot without a trial, eh? Or maybe their Internet connections should be shut down by .gov. Would that make you happy? Why is it ok to have the NAACP, the Black Congressional Caucus and the New Black Panthers but not a community of white folk who aren't ashamed of being white? Do you seriously believe the people who post in Stormfront ride around with white hoods on and actively participate in the KKK? IBO is on record as specifically targeting "low-income, under-achieving U.S. schools". I'm terribly sorry if the truth offends you, but I am not the one guilty of trying to make money off of our minorities and trying to enslave them with a NWO philosophy.
jasminetea August 01, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Shewithnoname - did you fail IB or something? "Do not be swayed by globalist rhetoric and educationese espoused by elitists. Improving our public schools should be a priority. Americans are waking up. We are tired of being lied to, we are tired of seeing our hard-earned dollars being wasted on programs that don't work." http://www.tahoebonanza.com/article/20100203/NEWS/100209977 And what is is about this program that you think doesn't work?
jasminetea August 01, 2012 at 10:06 PM
And bravo to Kaitlyn the IB student who really put it to you. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice, maybe you should show some of your responses to your Mom before you hit send.
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 10:25 PM
Joanna, You do realize we stopped the K-12 IB takeover of Incline Village after a year and a half hard fought battle, right? And who is this Kaitlyn you are referring to? Leave the children out of this and debate the PROGRAMMES. You seem totally incapable of a reasonable, non-emotional reply. I'm tempted to tell you my Mom is dead just to make you feel bad. Mommy is turning 89 in two weeks and is cranky in sunny Florida surrounded by Obamabots who have never had an original thought in their lives.
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 11:42 PM
Joanna, "Read some of those post yesterday....can't seem to find them today. Wonder why." Acid flashbacks? ;-)
shewithnoname August 01, 2012 at 11:48 PM
joanna, So may I deduce from your dubious, thoughtlessly shallow and critically vapid reply, the answer to my request for 2012 online data from Palm Harbor is ....... DOH!
Justin Time August 02, 2012 at 11:02 AM
You want the program, then YOU pay for it. We pay way too much school tax the way it is. Cut teachers salaries and benefits first if you want to squeeze in that program. Every program added should in turn cut the high administrative costs. Remember, that 3% gap has to take care of our "educators"
jasminetea August 02, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Well just to refresh your memory here is the email I was referring to: "Typical E-Mail from an IB Student First Name: Kaitlyn Last Name: L Address Line 1: 123 Why Would I Tell You That? Lane City: State: Virginia Zip Code: Country: USA E-mail Address: redacted Overall, I think it's about acceptance, understanding where someone else is coming from, maybe even sharing your opinion, but still respecting the other person. You might want to try and take your heads out of your asses for just a moment and see this all from my view, hell maybe not even my view, just somebody who might possibly think DIFFERENTLY than you. Maybe you'll realize that there are other ways to look at something and that just because your head is so full of haughty conceitedness, it doesn't make you right. Get Over Yourselves, Kaitlyn L PS: Have fun un-sticking your heads from your asses, it seems like they're already pretty far up there. TAIB's REPLY: Kaitlyn, Thank you for writing. I always enjoy receiving mail from IB students. Letters like yours validate TAIB's position on IB extraordinarily well. Did you show this e-mail to your Mom before you hit send? I'm curious as to what she would have to say about the tone of your communication. Regards, Lisa E. McLoughlin http://truthaboutib.com/breakingnewsopinions.html
shewithnoname August 02, 2012 at 05:39 PM
joanna, Ohhhh .... THAT Kaitlyn. Thanks for copy and pasting copywritten material from my website to Patch, instead of linking to the page. That was very thoughtful of you. If you'll notice, I redacted the student's actual e-mail address, something I'm sure you wouldn't have bothered to do. I can see how you would give a young lady a "bravo" for repeatedly using the phrase "take your heads out of your asses". That sure would make any IBeliever proud! Such open-mindedness, tolerance, compassion, caring and respect for the opinion of others you IB followers have, it's really quite astonishing! And civility? Oh, well you folks are the creme de la creme when it comes to civility. I mean, no one knows better than an IBer how to make the world a better place by telling their elders to take their heads out of their asses .... twice.
Bill Hazelton August 02, 2012 at 07:15 PM
The elitest IB change agents have no faith in us mere mortals. They take us for uncivilized, uncultured knuckledraggers. They have no faith in our willingness to work for the betterment of the state so they make it mandatory, they have no faith in our ability to undertstand people that are different so they claim to train our children to be better world citizens, they have no faith in our ability to think someone else that is different might be ''right'' but in the end, they theselves lack the karma to understand that it ain't even about our differences or who is right. We already find significantly more commonalities that differences and would prefer to focus on those. What a joke and what a shame that this is even being discussed in a school district like Southampton that is supposedly made up of some bright parents and administrators. Have faith in yourself as a parent and in your effectiveness as a citizen of the world yourself and you won't feel the need to suffer through what some pseudo peace corps middle manager has to spout.
shewithnoname August 02, 2012 at 08:10 PM
You should see what IB HSs do to the graduation programs when it comes to IB! "certificate candidates" are recognized, diploma candidates are recognized with special sashes that have IB emblazoned on them. Meanwhile, any kids who took AP independently don't receive any recognition and sadly for a number of those IB diploma candidates that walk with the special sash, they won't even earn the IB Diploma! As for an IB Certificate, everyone who sits an IB exam gets a Certificate, even if they only score a '1' (out of '7'). So hooray for failure! Let's give it special recognition!
jasminetea August 02, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Actually "shewithnoname" it's a medal with the IB Symbol pounded into brass...not a sash. The sashes most IB graduates wear are those from the National Honor Society. And don't forget all the cords they wear for their specific honor achievements, you know Art, Language, English, Science, History etc. Keep in mind AP are classes, it's not a complete program. Oh and you really should check out Senior IB Dinner. Now that's something to take part in. It's truly amazing.
involvedparent August 03, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Penny, while I do agree that paying a new superintendent more while cutting programs is wrong that is where we part. Smithtown didn't have IB classes when you moved here from Sachem. As for smart kids being discriminated against, are you out of your mind. For a lawyer that is one stupid comment based on the line you wrote before that. Yes we do have Special Ed classes what would you prefer that we don't teach the children in these classes how to read or write or do math. Question for you, did your child have to go to 2 or 3 or 4 different elementary schools? most of our special ed students have. A school needs to teach all children. I'll tell you what why don't you pay for your child's extra gifted program and stop making stupid statements and i'll continue to pay (over 150K) for my tutors to support that special ed student. BTW I also have 3 kids in AP classes who are doing fine. You should be ashamed of yourself to even imply that a gifted program is more important then taking care if children with disabilities that are discriminated against everyday in our schools.
shewithnoname August 03, 2012 at 12:01 PM
joanna, Well maybe in Florida they "pound the IB symbol into brass", but in Locust Valley it was a sash, or a "bib": http://lvcsd.k12.ny.us/News/#6324 Just because someone takes a road test, doesn't mean they pass and get a driver's license. ;-)
shewithnoname August 03, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Special education programs in NYS are mandated based on Federal ADA and IDEA laws. There is no such Federal mandate for gifted education. There are some states which treat gifted students the same as special needs students and require an IEP to be written for the gifted. NY is not one of those states.
Frank DiGeorge August 04, 2012 at 02:47 PM
robkoz, Thanks, http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx After $1,000,000 spent, St Helena High School Students Fight to Eliminate IB, School Board Agrees St Helena school board voted 5-0 to implement IB, at least $1,000,000 was spent. Two years later the high school students at St Helena attempted to eliminate IB at the high school, and the administration is recommending replacing the K-8 IB programme. The article states: "It has become painfully obvious that the more parents and students learn of the IB program, the less they want to be involved. IB is unnecessary, impractical, and less useful to students than AP classes. In February administrators recommended replacing the K-8 IB program... Students say the implementation of IB classes has cut other much-needed classes, many of which were geared toward a wider array of students... AP is far more likely than IB to be recognized by American colleges and universities. The letter concludes that the district should cut its losses rather than continue to pour time, money and effort into a poor investment." Full article, http://napavalleyregister.com/star/news/local/article_8b306270-4ae5-11e0-b742-001cc4c03286.html About three years and over $1,000,000 later, "Trustees voted 5-0 to suspend IB for grades K-10." Full article, http://napavalleyregister.com/star/news/local/article_93d3c612-5042-11e0-a7c4-001cc4c002e0.html
onewhoneedsnoname September 19, 2012 at 09:25 PM
'So the "white pride" community, who happened to have been discussing IB, don't constitute U.S. citizens? We shouldn't communicate with people who identify with white pride? Maybe you would like to see "those people" taken out and shot without a trial, eh? Or maybe their Internet connections should be shut down by .gov. Would that make you happy?' Actually, www.stormfront.org is considered to represent neo-Nazism, not just "white pride" in some generic sense; there are reams of expert articles about the website and the movement and they all reach that same conclusion. Plus, Ms. McLoughlin did not merely post on the website, she referred to its denizens as "you good folks." It seems disingenuous, not to mention ironic, to chum around with that particular crew in the name of defeating socialism.
Frank DiGeorge October 20, 2012 at 05:26 PM
Why International Baccalaureate is not a good fit for most schools Updated 10/13/12 1) Compared to AP, IB will increase college costs for most students. 2) IB will not improve student performance. 3) IB's pedagogical method is one of constructivism and inquiry based learning to promote a specific ideology. 4) IB is extremely expensive. 5) Many schools drop IB. The reasons most often stated are: a) Cost, b) Lack of student improvement with IB, c) Less flexible than AP, d) Lack of participation in IB classes, e) Lack of college credit for IB. 6) Some people object to IB on religious grounds. 7) There is no record of a school ever being turned down for IB, so long as the money is available. 8) At the elementary level IB is required for all children in the school and the stated goal is to "develop attitudes," and to get students to "take action." At the middle school the IB suggests IB be implemented school wide. Children of parents who object to the IB ideology are sometimes forced into IB. 9) Many international teachers and former IB teachers are against the programme.
Frank DiGeorge October 20, 2012 at 05:26 PM
10) IB is an NGO of UNESCO (UN), IB and UNESCO work out of the same building in Switzerland. The goal is to promote the UN ideology. 11) IB has little to do with real education and more to do with ideology; specifically the UN’s ideology and Agenda 21. 12) With IB schools give up some local control. Any disputes are handled in Switzerland with Swiss law. 13) Some states and political parties are trying to eliminate IB. 14) The IB diploma required TOK class is composed entirely of questions like, "When can it be right to disobey the law? Can suicide bombers be right?" 15) AP is the best fit for gifted students. 16) When IB/AP classes are combined the IB material must take priority. 17) For the IB diploma students must complete: six required classes in two years (three one year classes and three two year classes), a UN influenced philosophy course, write an extended essay, and complete 150 hours of community service. 18) IB is implemented in a deceitful way over and over throughout the United States. Once someone questions IB an open and honest discussion is never allowed, and the community becomes divided. To find proof supporting all the points above read the entire article, http://myinclinevillage.com/2011/07/31/what-all-parents--students-should-know-before-enrolling-in-ib.aspx There are numerous active IB battles going on in the US, some of them can be found at, www.TruthAboutIB.com
Mark Ryder January 09, 2013 at 03:38 PM
Tin hat time. This is an academic curriculum. Relax already. This is not a new program and is already in more than a thousand of U.S. public schools. You do not have to participate in the program. But for those that can and do it is of great value. The universities and scholarship organizations recognize that students that do well in the IB program are most likely to succeed in college. There is NO foreign indoctrination. However, it is a curriculum that is recognized world-wide as a world class education. By meeting the standards of the IB program your students diploma is not questioned with regard to the very many different levels of educational quality found within this country. Its pretty much a guarantee that they are more than ready for advanced rigorous education.
Mark Ryder January 09, 2013 at 03:48 PM
What hysterical drivel. They actually quote Sen. Joseph McCarthy as if that gives weight to their arguments. They are actually dredging up old witch-hunters to support this new one.. Wow, what a bunch of paranoid drivel.
Mary Beth January 09, 2013 at 04:20 PM
"IB is an NGO of UNESCO (UN), IB and UNESCO work out of the same building in Switzerland. The goal is to promote the UN ideology." Just when you thought that paranoid hysteria could not get worse . . .
Mark Ryder January 09, 2013 at 04:52 PM
Did you know that "so-called" Tea Party Republicans work in the same building that all the liberal commie Democrats use to craft their pernicious country destroying legislation? Clearly they are just a secret arm of the Liberal Conspiracy that control Washington, D.C. in these end days we are living through.


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