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Teachers, Staff Cut in Proposed Smithtown School Budget

Proposed budget is a 1.63 percent increase from the 2011-12 adopted budget.

Smithtown School District Superintendent Edward Ehmann unveiled the proposed 2012-2013 budget Wednesday night, a $215.8 million spending measure which would lay off roughly 45 faculty and staff members and increase 1.63 percent over the current budget. 

To reduce the financial gap the district is putting forth a number of staff reductions, decided prior to March 20. The cuts include:

  • five full time employees in elementary attrition
  • six full time employees from the closing of Nesconset Elementary
  • three full time employees from special areas
  • one elementary principal and one assistant principal
  • one teacher assistant
  • .5 nurses
  • two greeters
  • six lunch monitors
  • one clerk typist and one senior clerk typist
  • two custodial positions
  • five full time employees from a change in the secondary music lesson rotation
  • 12.1 full time employees in an increase in high school class size averages

The secondary school music lesson rotation will change from students receiving individual lessons from every seven days to every 10 days. Elementary music education will remain the same.

The staff reductions would result in savings of $3,059,276.

Following the initial reductions decided by March 20 were an additional $625,000 in reductions, which include $425,000 in savings from attrition due to declining enrollment, a social worker and psychologist retiring at the end of the year that won't be replaced, and replacements of a counselor and a reading teacher. An additional $200,000 would be saved by a rebate offered to the district for renewing the bus contract. This would be pending the board's approval.

To hit this number the district is suggesting the use of $1.5 million from the Assigned (Approprated) Fund Balance and $3.8 million from the Restricted (Appropriated) Reserves. This was contested Wednesday by Board of Education member Joseph Saggese, who suggested the district find another way to make the $1.5 million other than by using money from the fund balance or split the $3.8 million through cuts or Smithtown Teacher Association concessions.

Nesconset's closing also would result in savings for the district. According to the Citizens Advisory Committee final report, .

The district will review the information from Wednesday's meeting during Tuesday's board meeting at 8 p.m. in the Joseph Barton Building on New York Avenue. The board will vote to adopt the budget or not on April 17.

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scsddad April 11, 2012 at 06:53 pm
@Bill, You keep saying Mr Carlin was rude. But I never hear from you about the pig Ms Plourde cursing and spitting or coughing on another board member
One Opinion April 11, 2012 at 07:00 pm
@Ken There are many reasons people choose to remain anonymous. You are correct, this is not North Korea so we are free to speak as we choose as well as decide how to identify ourselves. I am sure you realize that many people have children in the district as well as associations with employees and organizations or perhaps are district employees themselves. They may choose to participate in these discussions to share opinions, information, education or just entertainment. I think anonymity can sometimes be a good thing for open discussion.
Smithtowncitizen4Truth April 11, 2012 at 07:13 pm
@OneOpinion, OK you've assured us you are not Neil Carlin, and we take you at your word. But you're silent in regards to the Carl Gianino charge. If you're not Carl, set the record straight.
Celine April 11, 2012 at 09:33 pm
Mr. Heard I am one of the employees who is being cut. I am truly devastated to be losing my job. I do not blame the STA or Rich Forzano. They are only there is protect the membership from people like you. Neither do I blame the administration. It is difficult enough running a district the size of Smithtown, and it doesn't make it any easier with a bunch of Sunday afternoon quarterbacks. I do however blame the past school board! With the likes of Bob Rossi, Neil Carlin, and Joe Saggese who were financially irresponsible when they demanded a 0% budget increase for three straight years. What in God's name were they thinking? How do you run a school district without planning ahead. I do believe that if the board had raised the budget by a mere 1% each of those years, I would still have a job, and so would my colleagues, and the children of Smithtown would not be in large classrooms. Now we are stuck with a 2% tax cap. You think this year's cut are bad...you haven't seen anything yet!
Ken Heard April 11, 2012 at 09:54 pm
@Celine. As I noted before, the Triboro Amendment guarantees teachers annual pay raises whether they have a contract or not. Why can't the union forgo annual salary increases and use the savings to give 45 people their jobs back ?
For more info, click EMPIRE CENTER on your computer. I hope everything works out for you.
Bill April 11, 2012 at 09:59 pm
Celine, I am sorry that you are losing your job! You are so correct if the BOE raised the budget 1% instead of 0% or even worse negative % we would have had been better off. As i stated before, even the auditors agreed that Mr. Sagasse and Mr. Carlin should not have supported or bullied the district into 0% and negative %. that was what Mr. Sagasse was arguing about at beginning of the year. He was stating that the committee went outside of their charter because the letter was not positive for both of them. oh well..
scsddad April 11, 2012 at 11:37 pm
@Celine, I hope the STA (Mr Forzano) is letting you keep the tee shirts and buttons he made you wear. The least he can do after he threw you under the bus
U wNT a CooKIe April 12, 2012 at 12:07 am
@Celine
U REALLY WANT A COOKIE OR SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!
Celine April 12, 2012 at 01:08 am
He did not throw me under the bus. It is community members who constantly criticize teachers who threw us under the bus.
Bill April 12, 2012 at 01:14 am
@SCSDAD, I heard the admin state that we are losing teachers because of decreased enrollment and closing a school (Due to enrollment) and increasing class size. I do not see how the STA could have helped with those cuts. it's hard to argue and save jobs with decreasing enrollment. Or the BOE can listen to Mr. Sagasse and increase class size even more and lay off more teachers...
scsddad April 12, 2012 at 02:02 am
@Celine
Open your eyes he threw you under the bus. If you don't believe that Mr Forzano is better than I thought. The 5 music teachers could of been saved if the STA gave a little. Now the students have lessons once every 10 days instead of once every 5 days. But I know Mr Forzano don't care about the students
Ken Heard April 12, 2012 at 06:52 am
@Celine. Scsddad is right. The union controlled BOE is to blame as is the union. What's wrong with freezing and cutting salaries a few points to keep 45 jobs intact?
The community has reached its limit and the union just wants never ending salary increases. The union will never accept a freeze or salary cut. It would sooner go after employees at the bottom of the pecking order and take there jobs away
Bill April 12, 2012 at 11:16 am
@Ken, When you actually attend a BOE meeting that is when I will take your comments seriously. Do you understand that SMithtown has decreasing enrollment most of those 45 positions were lost due to the decreasing enrollment. The STA can not help that fact. The STA did give up in the current contract. Ken, Why don't you attend a meeting and get your facts straight. I forgot you like to write ridiculous articles and get them printed in the newspaper. Attend a meeting and get the facts.
Chris April 12, 2012 at 11:25 am
The teachers and students were thrown under the bus. Not one administrative position cut? Are they kidding? The public should not vote for the budget unless there are administrative cuts.
Ken Heard April 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm
@ Bill. So enrollment is declining, 45 employees are fired, the district's reserve funds are raided again,and the new school budget still increases by almost 2 percent. And you want me to attend board meetings !!! Bill, I pray to God that you are not a math teacher.
I do not have to o to Congress and " attend meetings" to have an opinion. That's why we have newspapers. And Bill. Please cool it on the angry rhetoric.
Ken Heard April 12, 2012 at 12:07 pm
@ Bill. Please see my comment below.
Bill April 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@Ken, Yes enrollment is declining all over long Island. Most of the 40 cuts are due to the enrollment declining and the school closing (because of the enrollment declining). Yes, Ken keep reading Newsday and writing your columns. If you attended the BOE meeting you would have received a very good lesson that the newspapers don't always print the correct facts. Great Neck and Sachem Contracts. Ken I pray to God that you get your facts straight. Enjoy your day!
Ken Heard April 12, 2012 at 12:48 pm
You completely missed the point. Fact: Enrollment is declining. Fact: 45 teachers are fired. Fact: The district continues to raid reserves to feed the budget's appetite. Fact, the budget still increases by almost 2 percent. Why? Because teachers and administrators continue to draw high salaries and never ending salary increases. They refuse to either a freeze or salary cut to save 45 jobs.
To the union it's a matter of give and take: You give, we take.
Sally Mendez April 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm
There are other cuts that no one considers when you have these discussions. Did you know that more than 50% of the non-certified employees are actually Smithtown residents? Did you know that we pay taxes too, and every year our jobs are on the line? Instead of bashing BOE members and community speakers, why not approach the Town about lifting the ban on industry in town? We have no incoming taxes like Hauppauge does, all the store fronts are empty... where else can we get the money from other than residential taxes? While it saddens me that we should hire a new Superintendent at a higher salary with an expense account (who by the way believes there should be NO CAP on his own salary) and that we are top heavy with Administrators, please keep in mind that there are regular people with regular low paying jobs that are effected as well. Before anyone jumps all over my comment, you must know that our salaries are not outlandish, that we have offered to give back in the past, our health benefits align with the teachers who make much bigger salaries than we do, and our retirement packages after 30 years of service are about 30K, if that is outlandish, I don't understand your reasoning. Just remember we are caring community members that care about your children on a daily basis. J
Ken Heard April 12, 2012 at 01:03 pm
Great letter Sally !
Bill April 12, 2012 at 01:19 pm
Ken, Fact - enrollment is decreasing therefore, teachers are going to lose their job. that is how most of the 40 teachers are getting cut. The STA could have taken a freeze and those 40 teachers were still going to get cut because the enrollment is going down.
Ken Heard April 12, 2012 at 02:04 pm
@ Bill. Courses are being cut, many jobs were custodial, class size is increasing, support jobs (like nurses) are also being cut, but salaries continue to increase. Many of these jobs do not relate to declining enrollment but to the student's quality of life
squaw April 12, 2012 at 02:47 pm
Well said. Everyone is so busy teacher bashing that they overlooked the package and perks the new superintendent is being given. How on earth do we justify those expenses when the ones working with the children and for the teachers and the children are the one whose services are being cut. I understand the new superintendent wishing for higher salary to change jobs, that what most of us look for, but to add many things on top of that was a slap in the face to residents and students. Perhaps instead of a car allowance we could have kept music lessons! YOur comment was wonderful. Too bad the district doesnt think things out the way you did.
Chuck April 12, 2012 at 02:50 pm
@Ken @Pam @Sally @Vic @Chris Wouldn't you think there would at least be some in-kind administrative cuts, especially from the positions which do not come in contact with kids? Everyone else is giving up, where is the sacrifice from administration? Also, how about salary freeze for administration for next year?
townwatcher April 12, 2012 at 03:53 pm
Sally- you are absolutely right regarding industry in town. In terms of civil servant compensation I think your claims have merit. Just be aware that this forum is a bit of a echo chamber and it may seem the extreme views are the most popular, but it is really a few vocal members cheering each-other on a daily basis. Unions and working people built this country. To listen to the commentary on here sometimes it sounds like we want to go back to the 1800s. I think Sally your views are more in line with the "silent majority". Thanks for speaking up.
townwatcher April 12, 2012 at 07:08 pm
Bill- you hit the nail on the head. but what you have to understand is that what the Carlin/Sagasee always wanted was a financial mess in order to force staff cuts, salary and benefit freezes and program reductions. Because most people value education around here the only way to make that happen is to make it financially impossible to pay for, thus the 0% budgets for the past few years. Now with the 2% cap most districts are squirming to stay under. We've been doing less than that for years now. Is anyone surprised at the state we are in. Unions, teachers and civil servants are great scapegoats in this day in age, but anger only gets you so far. This is why the nature of the board changed so much. They give the STA too much credit for having the power to rule over everything. In the end, the town was just tired of the arrogance and posturing. Now the teacher contract is finally settled at a savings to the district and what do they say....it isn't enough.....even though to my eye it looks better for the district than a number of other recent contracts locally. It's not hard to see what's going on here.
One Opinion April 12, 2012 at 09:15 pm
I ask this to anyone who would like to respond. What are the sinister motives of the BOE members who ask for more concessions? Maybe a 0% increase was not the best choice, I don't know. But it would seem they were trying to do the right thing for the taxpayers of this town. Please educate me on their evil motives as they seem to be vilified by many on these forums. I know the unions motives $$$ but help me understand why trying to get the best deal for the district and keep property taxes inline is bad. These people are community members and parents of Smithtown students they are vested in having a financially sound school district. Maybe I am blind but those are the type of outspoken representatives I want on the BOE.
scsddad April 13, 2012 at 04:03 am
@Bill
After Mr Sagesse leaves the BOE all we will get is talking points Ms McEnroy will be the first one to give the STA's talking points and there will be no one on the board to question her. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE STA WANTS. So there won't be much to learn at the meetings
scsddad April 13, 2012 at 04:13 am
Bill @ townwatcher
Don't you remember what was going on in the district before Mr Sagesse & Mr Carlin were on the board. We had huge tax hikes and out of control contracts given out. Ms Waldron was on the board through all this.
scsddad April 21, 2012 at 03:54 pm
Bill
You keep saying Ken doesn't go to board meetings I don't reember seeing Ms McEroy or Ms Plourde at board meetings before they were elected to the board where did they get there information from the Sta
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Cathryn S June 18, 2013 at 09:06 pm
You are absolutely right pj. Its comparing apples to oranges. Assisted living is for the elderlyRead More that cant take care of themselves. What noise is created. They are indoors and at the age where driving may not be an option. And the facility faces Route 25A. A main corridor that has been used as a main road for over 50 years. A road that has gas stations,bars, hospitals, nursing homes, retail stores and high schools presently on it. Why not an assisted living.
P. J. Miller June 18, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Exactly. Don't see a problem having it. Many of them don't even go outdoors.
Lilly June 19, 2013 at 09:05 am
We have an assisted living center right next to our neighborhood. For the most part it is quiet,Read More there is not a lot more traffic, it even looks nice. I will take it over another strip mall, supermarket, bar any day . Like the previous poster wrote, it serves our community.
Vick w June 18, 2013 at 08:18 am
how is this allowed!!! I thought sex offenders were not allowed to live or be within a certainRead More amount of feet from a school or park or playground???? This "person" is young also, born in 1990 so he might blend in by the high school. he raped an 11 year old girl and only got 2 years in prison.
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Nick June 18, 2013 at 04:06 pm
2 years in prison!!....I think a zero should have been added to his sentence.... If I were theRead More father of the 11 year old he would not be walking around today!
knee jerk June 17, 2013 at 09:02 am
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knee jerk June 17, 2013 at 08:58 am
Creten?
The Smithtown Avenger June 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm
I don't think the town has a say in it. That is the good old MTA.
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